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Reptile Expert Says Exotic Pet Trade 'OK': Breeding wild animals in captivity -- whether at home or in the zoo -- ultimately benefits endangered species, maintains this exotic animal blogger and biologist. Even the exotic pet trade has benefits, says Frank Indiviglio, who also is an herpetologist.

NEW YORK -- Frank Indiviglio was meant to be an exotic animal breeder. The signs were there as a boy, when he crawled through the Manhattan sewer system searching for alligators. He found none, but today, the herpatologist owns a musk turtle, a red salamander, an African clawed frog, and a weather loach -- a slender fish of the Cobitidae family.

Though now the author of several books on reptiles and amphibians, and of blogs on reptiles and fish on the Web site, ThatPetPlace.com, Frank was first a midtown lawyer. But he ditched that human-centered profession to become an animal keeper, and then a zoologist and field researcher for the Bronx and Staten Island Zoos.

Field research was never boring. Frank still has a memento from a tussle with a 217-pound Anaconda in Venezuela. Its tooth is embedded in Frank's wrist to this day.

Though Indiviglio released the Anaconda after data collection, he says breeding wild animals in captivity -- whether at home or in the zoo -- ultimately benefits endangered species. Even the exotic pet trade, Indiviglio maintains, it can be beneficial to exotic animals, but within context.

Now a licensed wildlife rehabilitator, Indiviglio urges a sensible approach to conservation, eschewing those who would claim that vegetarians save animals.

Frank took time off from his adventures to tell Zootoo Pet News more about his work.

What is the biggest misconception people have about reptiles?

Most people believe that reptiles and amphibians operate on instinct alone and are relatively “simplistic” in their behaviors. However, many evince impressive abilities to learn from experience and to retain that knowledge; as regards behavior, their breeding, communication and other strategies are among the most complex known.

Creatures ranging from tiny frogs to huge crocodiles devote a great deal of care to their young, sometimes for years; others, such as the Solomon island skunk, gestate a single youngster for nine months and live in highly complex societies.

While venomous snake bite is a problem in some regions, the overwhelming majority of reptiles are beneficial to us. Their toxins, and the skin secretions of amphibians, are a rich untapped source of novel chemicals, and have yielded a number of important medications.

Why is exotic pet trade important?

Every great biologist, naturalist, animal author and zoo curator started out by keeping animals as pets. It is such people that go on to study animals and become leading conservationists and educators. While reading, travel, and zoo visits are important, nothing inspires one to further efforts as does actually caring for an animal in captivity.

Rare creatures ranging from red-kneed tarantulas to black-footed ferrets have been rescued from extinction by techniques that were first discovered by people keeping exotic pets. Zoos simply do not have the space and resources to study and breed the multitudes of creatures that are faced with extinction in the wild.

The massive wave of amphibian extinctions that has recently swept across all continents and what has been labeled the “Asian Turtle Crisis” have forced professional conservationists to rely upon serious hobbyists for assistance in providing homes to creatures in need of protection.

Experienced pet keepers have also been called upon to house and breed invertebrates, birds and fishes in cooperation with zoo, government and museum sponsored conservation initiatives.

Keeping animals usually leads to breeding efforts. The availability of captive-bred stock always takes pressure from wild populations, rendering collection unnecessary.

What is the down side of exotic pet ownership?

"Delicate species," or animals which are very difficult to maintain, are often purchased by people who are not qualified to care for them. The success of a few specialists makes it appear as though such creatures are easily maintained in captivity. Prime examples are dart poison frogs and chameleons.

Who is best suited for such ownership?

People who are genuinely interested in animals, as opposed to those wishing to own them for their novelty or thrill value, or as an ego-booster. Tarantulas, large constrictors, venomous snakes and carnivorous mammals seem often to draw irresponsible people who keep them for the wrong reasons,

I responded to at least a dozen venomous snake bites delivered to pet owners in the New York City area during my time with the Bronx Zoo. Each victim seemed to have similar personality traits. I’ll refrain from describing them.

Responsible pet owners put their health and safety, and that of other people, above all else. It is irresponsible and dangerous to put the animal “first.” Professional animal keepers never do that. They are also meticulous in their research. In most cases this means people that are willing to seek out books or professional advice as opposed to Internet resources.

Ideally, owners of exotic animals take careful notes and publish or otherwise make their observations available to others, as we know very little about even very common species in many cases. Membership in museum, zoo, research and special interest groups is important.

Do the zoos tend to breed their animals or import them?

Due to the efforts of dedicated hobbyists and professional animal keepers, captive breeding is by far the main source of animals for zoos and responsible pet sellers. Creatures that rarely appeared even in books 10 years ago are now bred regularly.

Collection is mainly limited to emergency situations. For example, frogs of many types were recently taken into captivity in Panama when a deadly fungus swept through the country, causing local extinctions and threatening hundreds of amphibian species. The rescued animals were set up in breeding situations and will hopefully be returned to the wild.

Others find their way into captivity via confiscations of illegally collected animals. Some years ago I was involved in a massive effort to rehabilitate and house more than 10,000 fresh water turtles that had been confiscated in southern China. The animals could not be released due to the lack of protected sites in their native countries, and so were placed with zoos and experienced hobbyists.

After reviewing recent headlines, particularly those in Florida, do you think an exotic pet ban is warranted?

Venomous snakes, giant constrictors and other animals capable of killing people have no place in private collections, but an all-inclusive ban on exotic pets would be ill-advised.

Tragedies caused by reptiles and other exotic pets are given extensive news coverage due, in part, to their rarity and “shock value.” More people are killed yearly by falling vending machines than by wild and captive snakes combined! (EDs. Note: Zootoo Pet News has not confirmed this stat.)

Of course, this does not justify putting dangerous animals of any type, wild or domestic, in the hands of those unqualified to manage them safely. Irresponsible dog owners are at the root of far more animal-inflicted deaths than are any other group of pet owners, and horses and pigs kill many more people each year than do reptiles.

Do you ever rescue animals from unhealthy situations or homes?

Too often. One apartment in Manhattan had been quite literally turned into a swamp and was home to five adult caiman (alligator relatives) while another housed an adult tiger. Venomous snakes, baboons, owls, bobcats, puma and others to numerous to recount have all shown up in New York City residences.

Police summoned by an alarm to a store in Queens once came upon dozens of live and cooked rattlesnakes; a women looking for her duck found it consumed by a serval, an African wild cat.

In you opinion, what is the biggest issue animals face in our global society?

Habitat loss and a misunderstanding or unrealistic view of what constitutes effective conservation action. Urban dwellers and conservationists -- who say “don’t eat this or that animal” -- without providing an economically effective alternative -- are unrealistic and hypocritical, and their efforts will be unrewarded in the long run.

People must become more realistic about wildlife conservation, and move away from emotion-based thinking and towards actions based on scientific fact. People who use wool rather than fur are not conserving animals ... sheep farms, by destroying millions of acres of wildlife habitat, are responsible for far more extinctions than fur trapping.

Likewise, eating vegetables in preference to meat has nothing at all to do with conservation – there are no endangered species roaming the world’s soybean farms. In fact, the major cause of rainforest loss in Brazil these days is clear-cutting to create soybean farms. Well-intentioned people often find concepts such as these are difficult to accept, but such is critical if we are to make a real difference in the fate of most creatures.

What can people do to improve the lives of animals?

Volunteer or otherwise support zoos, aquariums, museums; learn to breed endangered or little studied species in captivity; observe the animals that about in both city and rural environments; support environmentally responsible legislation; pursue a career involving wildlife.

Zootoo Pet News Staffer Elisabeth Brock contributed to this report.



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Patricia  C.
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I am not for owning exotic animals because so few people know how to care for them. I think as a whole exotic animals should be in the zoos where people know how to care for them or in the wild.
 
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I agree. Most people wouldn't take the time to fully educate themselves on all there is to know about some of these animals. Leave it to those that know what they're doing.
 
Peggy W.
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It is unfortunate that people are too irresponsible to "house" exotic pets. I feel very strongly that these animals are better off being viewed in the zoos where the animals can be properly cared and treated.
 
DevilDawg
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I agree with you Peggy and this article was about one " expert's " opinion.
 
Peggy W.
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I don't think this person clearly understands what is happening when these exotics are "let loose".
 
DevilDawg
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Me either.
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daryl b.
daryl b. (darylob)
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i wonder if one of his family were to be bitten by one that was venomus would it still be ok
 
Lisa B.
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I know I don´t one eating my cat!
 
Linda B.
Linda B. (jimmysmom)
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What he says makes sense, but only when people know how to care for exotic animals. We recently had a situation here in town where a guy was keeping a 4 ft. alligator in his bathtub and also had a large snake. When he was evicted, he just went off and left the animals in the apartment where the landlord found them. A lot of people aren't "smart" enough to care for dogs and cats - much less animals with more complex needs.
 
daryl b.
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linda this is not the first time ihave heard of these dangerous animals just being let when they move for others to have to deal with.
 
Linda B.
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Or turning them loose in the wild, thinking because they're "wild" creatures they will know how to fend for themselves!
 
Peggy W.
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Another good point to go with your comment is that so many of these animals are not indigenous to areas and they may thrive and upset the balance of fragile ecosystems such as what is happening in the Everglads.
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Denise L.
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This guy is just fuelling the fire...& so many people don't educate themselves on HOW to care for these animals nor will they invest in the time.
 
Kris
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I agree. Too many people don't educate themselves and just want the pet as an ego-boost or for the novelty, without any concern for the animal's welfare.
 
daryl b.
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kris you are so right and the don't even care about the saftey of people. i wonder what he smelled like i doubt he bathed with the gator
 
Lisa B.
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They also don´t realize that brining in öutside species hurts the eco system, especially the food chain for the indigenous animals.
 
DevilDawg
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I agree with you. People just jump in with these exotics and they know nothing about how extensive the care is......then there's BIG trouble.
 
Leximou
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This guy give breeders a black eye. It is because of people like him that we, along with the rest of the world have problems with non-native species. Is an animal native to the area? Should the answer be no, then it should either be in a well maintained zoo or NOT imported. Non native species set free by overwhelmed idiot owners have caused more problems than can be rectified. Several actual problems in today's news are imported frogs and boa constrictors here in Florida. The great lakes have their own problem with non native fish. The list goes on and on. Fella, do us all a favor, put your ego in neutral and stop!
 
daryl b.
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lexi even if they were native these animals are not pets. and should not be kept as such. the gators and crocs are living dinosours
 
Naldofish
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one more thing - your comment about Brazil and soybean farms is true but you missed a critical point - the soybean are not being grown to feed tofu eaters they are being grown as feed of livestock ... hello!!!!! Yes, eating meat has a huge impact on the environment compared to plant based diets...Check out report by the Union of Concerned Scientists - that rate meat consumption second only to automobiles for top contributors to environmental destruction.....
 
Naldofish
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This is a bunch of bunk!

I can think of a lot of great wildlife conservationist who never kept wild animals as "pets."
Moreover one does not need to see animals in cages in order to care about them. Think about how much support humpbacked whales have and how much people love them and yet they have never been held in captivity. Ask any 5 year old and they can tell you more than you ever wanted to know about dinosaurs and yet they have never seen a live one.

Get over yourself

While many breeders and collectors of exotic species claim that keeping or breeding species in captivity protects species in the wild, this claim is unsupported by fact. The role of private breeders and collectors has largely been one of a willingness to collect rare specimens, breed them outside official conservation plans, and then trade, sell, or display the offspring for self aggrandizement and/or profit. In fact, the demand for exotic animal breeding stock for is one of the driving forces behind the cruel trade in wild-caught animals.

One of the most common assertions made by exotic animal breeders is that captive breeding contributes to conservation of the species. In reality, breeding wild animals in captivity contributes little or nothing to conservation efforts because most captive breeding is done outside official species survival plans or other directed conservation efforts.

Even if color mutations and other qualities are not specifically selected for, the moment the first generation is produced (F1 generation) a breeder has been involved, to one degree or another, in a process whereby “natural selection” no longer applies, thus the animals are diverging from whatever they were (are) in the wild. Invariably, selection factors begin to shift from factors that enable a species to survive in the wild to factors that enable a species to survive in captivity. Ultimately the release of captive-bred exotics may reduce the fitness of wild populations.

 
Kris
Kris (krisrep)
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Very well said. I totally agree with you.
 
daryl b.
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kris cout me in on that
 
Percysmom
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Wonderfully said!!!!!
 
spongebrooke
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I agree that responsible breeders are ok no matter what type of animal they are breeding. Irresponsible breeding and irresponsible owners exist everywhere in the pet industry and that is what needs to be controlled. Make people jump through a few extra hoops to prove they are competent enough to keep their animals instead of trying to enforce an all inclusive ban no matter what species/breed it is for.
 
Diane H.
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I don't believe in outlawing all private ownership of exotic species. That would mean all our zoo friends with parrots and the like would have to give them up. But they need to be breed in the country, not imported. It's the wild dangerous species, native or exotic, that I believe should be outlawed. There's no need for an individual to own a rattlesnake in captivity,even though it may be native.
 
Momba
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Diane, I guess I failed to even think of parrots when I wrote my original response to this news article. They are so common that they don't even seem exotic anymore! I was talking only about those animals and plants that cause problems when out of hand. My apologies to all parrot owners!
 
Diane H.
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No need to apologize. They all understood that I'm sure!
 
Kris
Kris (krisrep)
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I agree, Diane. There certainly is a huge difference between someone who wants a parrot and the person who wants a large snake or an alligator that cannot be properly cared for in a private home.
 
Momba
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I took exception to many things in this article. When he said that more pigs and horses kill people than do exotic species, he failed to say there is a much higher ratio of pigs and horses to people than the exotic species to people. There are licensed people, such as zoos and rehabilitators who can safely keep things under control when handling introduced species, and individuals should NOT have them. By his own admission, he has been called on to deal with situations people have gotten themselves into by getting their hands on things they should not have. When a 6-foot python got loose in our neighborhood, not one person was happy about it! There have already been too many invasive species introduced in our country, and not just animals, but plants, too.
 
lilyrose
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You make some very good points! Look at the kudzu that has taken over in the south.
 
Momba
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Thanks, lilyrose. My youngest daughter is a biologist/analyst, and it is amazing how many invasive species she has come across in the Great Lakes, Finger Lakes, and even in Hawaii. Once the damage is done, it is almost impossible to undo it.
 
Kris
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I agree, Momba. Most individuals cannot adequately care for these species and it should be left to professionals. The case you mention where the 6-foot python got loose in your neighborhood is a good example. I don't know too many people who could give a good home to a large snake.
 
daryl b.
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will the captive bred be able to survive in the wild?
 
Diane H.
Diane H. (catsecrets)
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In some areas of the country; but like here in Wisconsin a boa constrictor would not be able to survive the winter. They don't know to hibernate like our snakes do.
 
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I am kind of on the fence about this one, one the one hand I agree with Rose. Only people in controlled situations should be allowed to breed or own exotic pets and make sure they will not be released in the wild where native species are at risk. On the other hand, I totally agree with the conservation efforts being more fact based and less emotion based. Like with the native deer population in Illinois is growing out of control but since man has taken away the deer's natural predators there is nothing to keep the herds in check. So I and many others around here are hunters, not for sport but for keeping a balanced healthy herd and to keep CWD (chronic wasting disease a neurological disease that leads to a slow miserable death and spreads by contact.) under control. Also, the deer population has a terrible effect on agriculture by damaging orchards and crops, and effecting overall yields. I think that there are many methods of conservations from catch and release for records and tracking, birth control usage for populations of animals in urban areas (like deer and coyotes though birth control isn't always effective) and hunting and land conservation. I think that the focus should be shifted from exotic to native species that need repopulated like, elk bear and wolves in the midwest, cougars and other animals that will naturally balance the populations of other species by keeping them in check. For example, the coyote population directly and adversely affects the red fox population. While the red fox is actually beneficial to farmers by keeping rodent and insect populations in balance, the coyote is actually harmful because they eat some rodents, get into trash and eat livestock young, pets, and chickens often blamed on the more beneficial fox. But the coyote's natural competition the wolf is not existent in this part of the country anymore so to help keep the population under control they have allowed a coyote hunting season. So I think the proper conservation methods should focus on native species before exotic, but should be more scientifically minded. So really I agree with Rose and the article.
 
daryl b.
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lindsey you have made some very good points
 
lindsey d.
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thank you, i try to be conscious of the world around me because there is so much interaction between people and animals here in rural illinois. We have had trouble with an introduced species the alligator gar, but now it is a "protected species" and even though it is harmful to native species of fish you can't remove it, kill it, or fish for it in our local rivers. not to mention that gar are also dangerous to humans and can severely injure swimmers and fisherman alike. I think it is important that people stay informed about the wildlife in their area, not just laws regarding pets. I don't ever want to see a day when there is no more wildlife so I try to do my part.
 
lilyrose
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It seems he's more concerned with exotic species survival than what may be good for some of our native species. There will always be ignorant people who buy exotic pets and release them into the wild once they can no longer care for them...or grow tired of them. I still feel there needs to be strict regulations on ownership of non-native species.
 
Peggy W.
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Very well said, Rose. I 2nd your comment.
 
jackie
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I agree rose up here in allentown they just found an alligator laying by the lehigh river. People dump them when they longer want them
 
lilyrose
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Jackie, that is so sad! That is exactly the type of thing that happens way too often. That's why I think there needs to be stricter laws about ownership of some animals.
 
daryl b.
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lily i absolutly agree even though my boys are native to austrailia
 
lilyrose
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Your little guys might bite...but they wouldn't kill anyone. I don't think very many bird owners would let their birds loose in the wild...would they?
 
Stephanie N.
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Very well put. I agree.
 
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I totally agree, Rose. It would be much better to focus on what is good for the native species than allowing people to import exotic animals only to release them into the wild when they cannot care for them. I do not have a problem with people having parrots and other birds as pets, but non-native species being released have caused problems in many areas of the country.
 
Diane H.
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He sounds very knowledgeable on his subject. I would agree that irresponsible pet owners are a danger, whether you're talking about exotic pets or domesticated animals.
 
Chellie G.
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This gentlemen is responding with a biased opinion. The biggest threat to native wildlife are invasive, nonnative species. Most of which are exotic to begin with. Only licensed professionals should be able to keep exotic pets.
 
daryl b.
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chellie i agree.
 
Shay E.
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You are so right !
 
DevilDawg
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An interesting article.......um.
 
Tricia L.
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Ill stick with my dog =)
 
Shay E.
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Me too !
 
daryl b.
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WHY ANYONE WOULD WANT A VENOMUS SNAKE IS BEYOND ME. I WOULD SURE LIKE TO KNOW HIS RESONS THAT HE WOULD NOT SAY THAT PEOPLE WANT THEM
 
Diane H.
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yes, that was interesting that he wouldn't say. Probably some kind of macho thing to own a deadly snake, rather than someone really fascinated by the species.
 
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i agree venom is good for nithing for us except for making anti venom
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