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ORLANDO, Fla. -- The shootings of two huskies roaming a cattle field has sparked international outrage, prompting calls from the Animal Legal Defense Fund and the Humane Society of the United States for the shooter to face charges.

"When we first pulled up there was a large gentleman walking towards the dogs," said witness Patrick Miller, describing the May 19 shootings of Hoochie and Raley, owned by Chris Butler.

"Chris (Butler) went running out there with a leash in hand, yelling at the guy who had just pulled out a gun and started shooting the dogs. He was just firing into them -- I was screaming 'No, no, no!' "

Miller's screaming attempt to intervene was captured by a tourist, who later posted the video on the Internet.

According to Butler, the two dogs were off their leashes when they took off running from a pond during a nightly walk. The dogs wandered almost two miles from their home, into a field with cattle.

While Butler searched for his dogs, a crowd began to gather at the corner of a field and highway, watching cattle owner Christopher Comins observe the loose dogs intermingle with the cattle.

Miller, who is also Butler's neighbor, was among the crowd and recognized the dogs. Miller raced to Butler's home to inform Butler that his dogs had been found

Yet as Butler and Miller returned to the scene, Comins was already armed and in the field.

In the video, Miller is heard screaming "No, no, no!" while Butler is seen running into the field with leashes in hand. Simultaneously, Comins fires nine shots at the dogs. Both were wearing collars, witnesses say.

One bullet shattered Hoochie's leg and another took out his eye. Raley still has a bullet in his back, but has fully recovered.

According to a police incident report, Comins told the Orange County Sheriff's Office that the dogs appeared to be preparing to attack and were attempting to harm a calf.

Under Florida law, property owners can shoot dogs if the canines harass and attack cattle, or act aggressively.

However, the incident report also notes that no injuries were found to the cattle.

A sheriff's office investigation concluded Comins acted within the law by protecting cattle from a possible attack.

Now the ALDF, HSUS, Butler, his attorney and close to 5,000 people from around the world, have signed an online petition, saying the incident is a case of animal cruelty.

Collectively they want the state attorney's office to charge Comins with a felony.

Comins and his attorney declined to comment, as the legal action is pending and two-fold: a civil suit filed by Butler and a defamation suit, which Comins filed against Butler.

Comins' supporters have set up a blog, which displays letters from the land and cattle owner.

But while the cases hang in the balance of the justice system, Butler is the only person, so far, who has faced legal action. He received two citations for having his dogs off their leashes and was made to pay $107 for each dog.

"Just to add insult to injury, I had to pay $10 for writing the citation," Butler said.

In Butler's civil suit, animal law attorney Jennifer Dietz has filed to recover the cost of Hoochie and Raley's medical bills and physical suffering. They're seeking $15,000.

"The owner was there, calling the dogs, when the man was shooting the dogs," Dietz said. "If he's there running and jumping the fence to get his dogs and one dog was shot and running towards his owner, it goes beyond what a normal person would do. It's not reasonable."

The state attorney's office said its investigation continues, while the ALDF stands behind its offer to assist the state attorney's office with the case.

For more information on Christopher Comins' blog, visit ChristopherComins.BlogSpot.com. For more information on the Animal Legal Defense Fund, visit ALDF.org. For more information to petition the husky dogs shot in Orange County, Fla., visit ThePetitionSite.com.

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robin n.
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I live on a farm and I understand the rancher wanting to protect his cattle. I think I would do the same. Who is to know what those dogs were like around strangers or other animals. I had a cat killed by two hunting dogs four feet from my front door and if I could have gotten a gun out before the owner got a hold of them I would have shot them because I had other animals in the yard that I was worried about and it looked like there was no stopping those dogs. The poor cat did not have a chance. The hunter did apologize but was not forgiven. I'm getting real sick of hunters who can not keep control of there dogs. They say they will not enter buildings but I have had to chase them out of the barn and off our land.
 
Ro V.
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Thanks for giving us another perspective.
 
graciel
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8 months ago
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Exactly. I'm a farmer as well, and until you have seen dogs going after your stock, you just don't understand.

Is it too bad the dogs have to be shot? Sure. Whose fault is it? THE DOG'S OWNERS. If you don't keep your dogs under control, you can lose them. Those huskies might have been hit in the road, just as easily.

I've had dogs belonging to people from the resort areas around me run my cows through fences. Do you know what it's like to be trying to catch and calm down a herd of paniced cows? Do you know what it's like to have a cow come in for milking and one of her teats is missing from being torn off in the melee and tearing through fences?

How about this one? I had some pet ducks at one time. A Samoyed came through and casually killed half of my flock. Took him less than five minutes, and the last I saw of the SOB he was trotting down the road with a duck in his mouth. The mother of the young ducklings that had managed to scatter and hide. That dog killed five adult ducks that day. Would you like that to happen to your animals?

Last fall a neighbor's dog came through and killed two chickens, as well. Right in their own yard. They were purebred, and expensive, and I had a lot of time into them as well.

Dogs on the loose are dangerous to other species of domestic animals, and it's TOO BAD that sometimes they get shot. But it's not the farmer's fault, it's the dog owners. This guy with the Huskies needed a look at reality.
 
Monica W.
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wow how sad. I'm always sure to keep my dog in the yard or on a leash, because it would be totally normal for any farmer where I live to shoot an unwanted animal on his property.
 
Amy R.
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11 months ago
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Its really sad, but this happens more often than you think. I think there needs to be more action in rural areas to educate people about problems involving pets. You would think that ranchers would have more sense with animals to deal with it in a better way.
 
Liz C.
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11 months ago
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Many farmers and ranchers do deal with strays in better, more appropriate ways, but there are always those select few who are on the opposite side of common sense.
 
sara k.
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11 months ago
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I don't think it was right for the rancher to shot at the dogs, especially since the owner was running towards them, with leashes. First of all, it shows the dogs aren't strays and secondly, it shows a complete disregard for the owner's life. If a rancher is going to shot at dogs who are running towards their owner, who's to say that he'd stop shooting once the dogs got to their owner.
However, as a long time husky owner, it seems very strange that the owner would allow his dogs off lease. It's a known fact that huskies should never be trusted off leash, especially in areas with cattle.
Still the fact remains that the rancher was still shooting as the owner was running toward the dogs. At that point, it would seem reasonable to assume that the dogs were no longer a threat, as they were about to be contained. Therefore, while huskies should be kept leashed at all times, the rancher was not acting reasonably and should've kept firing.
 
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SweetieKisses
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I agree w/you Tina.
 
Liz C.
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11 months ago
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As a cattle farmer, I have seen and have had to deal with my fair share of stray dogs in the cow pasture. Often, the dogs are friendly and misplaced, and they are able to be approached and taken to the city pound in hopes they will be claimed. Others have been aggressive towards our cattle; we have never had to 'take care of' strays in the manner Comins did, but there is a law that states a canine (be it a coyote or dog) can be shot if it is not visibly owned AND damaging your livestock or acting in an aggressive manner to you or your animals. There is a line. If indeed the dogs were wearing collars, Comins should not have shot them, but first attempted to approach them. The owner was in the wrong for not leashing the dogs, which would have prevented this whole ordeal, but I think Comins was a little bit trigger happy. On the other hand, what's not to say that the dogs wouldn't have later decided to run the cattle. I think both parties are guilty, not one innocent over the other.
 
Carol L.
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11 months ago
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That makes a lot of sense, I can see this from a different perspective, thanks
 
Liz C.
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11 months ago
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Hey, no problem. I just like to throw in my two cents every now and then.
 
Holly F.
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I am glad you shared your pov with us! I can totally understand wanting to protect the cattle IF the dogs were an actual threat! This man was obviously trigger happy, the first thing he should have done with that gun would be to fire off a few shots IN THE AIR to scare the dogs off without any injury to anyone or anything!

I'm sure some people will say that wouldn't guarantee the dogs would leave, but if they really were just wandering around, {which is clear in the video} random gun shots are going to startle them and cause them to get away from what they perceive to be a potentially dangerous situation.
 
Robyn
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11 months ago
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My heart is heavy for the owner of the dogs. This is truly a sad, sad story.
 
Melissa P.
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11 months ago
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this rancher is disgusting and so is that county for thinking it is ok to shoot dogs for walking around. i hope justice is served.
 
This just hurts too much to even think about.
 
Veronica (Ronnie) G.
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I hope this gun slugging rancher got the book thrown at him! I wish there was follow-up here on Zootoo with some of these articles. But then, I can always do a Google search.

But thank God the dogs are ok, although one missing an eye!
 
Patty W.
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11 months ago
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Same here. I couldn't agree more.
 
Lauren W.
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11 months ago
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I don't like what he did obviously. And if it's found that he's at fault, he deserves to suffer consequences. But, keep your dogs leashed! It's for their safety obviously.
 
Diana L.
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11 months ago
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Animals are not thought of as having rights. Although these owners should have kept their pets under their control and supervision these dogs should not have been shot. Unless we ban together and work to get animals to have rights this will continue. We have the power we just need to work for the animals.
 
Becky C.
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11 months ago
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I am horrified by this. I wanted to cry when I watched the video of the 2 dogs getting shot. They weren't even bothering the cattle. I think it is terrible that it is actually legal in Florida to shoot dogs on your property. I can't even imagine how the owner must have felt. It's hard enough when your animals are injured but it must have heartbreaking to watch.
 
susan t.
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11 months ago
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It must have been horrible to watch your beloved pets being shot. It sounds like Comins shot the dogs for just being on his property. I will sign the petition and hope that Chris wins his civil suit. Shame on you Mr Comins!
 
Susan P.
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11 months ago
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No. They don' t have the right to shoot first and ask who they belonged to after.
 
freeman796
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11 months ago
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This story is horrible. It sounds like the cattle rancher was shooting those dogs for fun and sport. The owner was right there running onto the field yelling and he continued to shoot. I'm sure the cattle rancher sees animals as property and has no value for their lives. I'm glad to hear that the dogs survived the incident and hopefully the owner of the dogs learned his lesson. He should have known better than to let his dogs, especially huskies which are known for taking off, loose like that. I just feel terrible for the dogs because their lives were endangered by some irresponsible people. It should have never happened in the first place.
 
MrKucz
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11 months ago
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This man should face consequenses, just like any other person who decides to kill an innocent animal!
 
Sandy F.
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agreed!!
 
Rebekah K.
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11 months ago
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That's redicuslous, if the Huskies weren't harming his cattle, that man had no right to shoot them, he should have called an animal control officer first...
 
Elizabeth  M.
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I can't even imagine how it would feel to witness having your two dogs shot. It really amazes me that people will react to their perceived "potential danger" by pulling the trigger. This is just another reason why we need stricter gun control and education. (Before I get crucified -- not saying take the rifles away -- just include think people need to be more educated about when to use a firearm.)
 
Pia S.
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11 months ago
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Here! Here! I completely concur on all fronts!
 
Rebecca A.
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This is horrific. That man should be prosicuted, he harmed another man's possessions. Sadly, our dogs by law are nothing but possesions. He'll get his comeuppence.
 
Jessica H.
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Now knowing that the man was just a trigger-happy fool who didn't even own the land or the cows, I can't imagine why there is such a holdup on taking justice for those dogs. How blind can you be to see that the cows weren't in any sort of distress and the dogs weren't in any way aggressive towards them? You have to be heartless to even ignore the plea of the owner as he came running in defense for his dogs. I do believe the owner should be fined for his dogs being off-leash but that is no excuse to shoot them.
 
Kelly K.
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11 months ago
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I remember when I first saw this video on youtube, it made me cry. I also went to care2 and signed the potition.
 
Sandy F.
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11 months ago
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Sign the Petition everyone!!!
 
Maria S.
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11 months ago
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Having had dogs that escape and once attacked livestock, I understand both sides of this story. Nobody wants a dead calf but the owner of the dogs was there to reclaim the dogs. Personally, if I was a rancher I would rather take a do nothing approach and let the dog owners be liable for the damage their dogs accured. In my situation, I had to pay for the goat my dogs killed and a hefty civil fine. I think that these types of situations make it difficult for all and I would hate to be the party who made the wrong decision and become the focus of a lawsuit or cruelty case.
 
Tyler B.
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11 months ago
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Nobody should have the rights to shoot a dog like that. Even if he doesn't get charges, he should think about this, and at least realize he is wrong.

 
cindyabbe
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11 months ago
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These were pets with the owner near by. Being in the field hardly constitutes an attack. He was wrong to shoot them and should be liable for their vet bills.
 
TiggerDad3
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11 months ago
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It is unfortunate that these dogs were harmed. I do believe that they should not have been there in the first place, but do not believe from my understanding that man should have shot the dogs? I do however believe that land owners should have the right to protect themselves and their property, so I do not think that the law should be changed... if charges need to be brought against this man for unlawful behavior, then so be it, but I think the law should remain as is.
 
Caitlin
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11 months ago
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no one should have the right to do that! that is just plain mean. Just think about someone shooting you for that.
 
scott w.
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11 months ago
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I hope he's charged with animal cruelty. That is just rediculous.
 
Jennifer H.
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11 months ago
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There is a difference between having the right to do something and doing the right thing. If the dogs are not attacking the livestock, there is no cause for shooting - common sense (isn't so common anymore!)
 
Lou  H.
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In November of 2000 my wife and I lost our beloved dog, Hunter, who had ventured a mile from home to a field near a dairy farm. Although the dog was across the road from the farm, we found him dead with a bullet in his neck. Got too close, I guess. We had been warned when we moved here (Cherokee County, OK) that anybody with cattle would shoot a loose dog and ask questions later. Unfortunately, the law agrees with the farmers and the dogs are helpless.
 
Delzmo
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That's horrible. If Comins had such a bad record then what is there to debate? I'm just glad the dogs survived.
 
mjviegas
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11 months ago
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Comins had NO BUSINESS being on land that was NOT his and "protecting" cattle that were NOT his. It's obvious that all he wanted to do was be kill something and the dogs just happened to be the something in his path. The government needs to realize that people like Comins need to be locked up with the key thrown away. They start with animals and then go to people... oh wait, Comins has already had altercations with humans with guns HE OWNS ILLEGALLY!

Mr. Butler, I am thankful your dogs are alive. I am hoping with all my heart and soul that you win your lawsuit and Comins goes to jail for good. You should've punched that SOB. Yes, he may have shot you, but since he's such a lousy damn shot, you would've been okay and he'd be going to jail FOR SURE for attempted manslaughter! Thank heavens for that wonderful tourist who caught it all on film.
 
Katy Q.
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11 months ago
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What a sad story :( It seems there were mistakes committed by both parties that resulted in a very unfortunate tragedy.
 
SweetieKisses
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11 months ago
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Okaay, Once again for those that missed the posts by the dogs owner, Siberlover, and yes he has posted on this thread more then once. His attorney has posted on this thread, too.

Here is one post by Siberlover:

"Here is an UPDATE. I am the owner of the dogs. For the umpteenth time,christopher comins is NOT a rancher, he does NOT own the land NOR does he own the cattle. He is an Orlando businessman with a previous conviction for a gun violation."
His wealthy friends who own the land also do NOT own the cattle!!!

Here is one of the posts by his attorney, AnimalLawAttorney, posted on this thread:

"I am the animal law attorney who represents the owner of the two Huskies which were shot by Christopher Comins. It must be made clear that Comins is NOT a rancher nor is he a cattle owner. He is in no way related to the pasture or cattle at issue in this case. He also carried two high caliber handguns to shot these innocent dogs."
 
wanda f.
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11 months ago
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the shooter must be a nut. some people kill animals just to be killing . Sorry about your dogs. We have 4 & love them all
 
Doozie
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11 months ago
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This guy should be shot. There are other ways he could have discouraged these dogs from attacking his cattle. Obviously from the video, they weren't threatening.
 
JayneStorm
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11 months ago
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thats really sad
 
Katiemissy
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11 months ago
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They were probably feuding about something else and the dogs got ot taken out on them. Or the guy was just a time bomb ticking....
 
Angelique S.
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11 months ago
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This is outrageous! Totally uncalled for - I couldn't imagine those poor people seeing their babies shot - 9 times - do you think that is a bit over the top?
 
Austin L.
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11 months ago
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Why would you shoot such a nice animal as a husky because it ws just on your farm not hurting anything. I think he should be put in a home because he is obviously not right in the head.
 
julie d.
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11 months ago
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It's just not right!! I think they should have charged the farmer DAY 1!
 
Sheila
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11 months ago
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I live next to a farm and have been surrounded by farmland and cattle all of my adult life - I cannot imagine in any way, shape or form - other than an outright witnessed attack - that my neighbor would ever shoot a dog . Chase them away - absolutely! Fire a warning shot into the air - Quite probable! Shoot the dog as it wandered through his field - not in a million years!
 
daryl b.
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11 months ago
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i like your neighbor he knows how to do it right
 
Sheila
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11 months ago
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Thank you, Daryl - and I do believe he would be in the majority don't you ? I cannot fathom why someone would do this to dogs that were simply walking among the cattle - my dogs go out in the pasture behind my house with the cows all the time - all the time - they would never harm them - although every once in awhile an ornery cow chases them! And I know if someone saw them there they would not take aim and shoot at them either
 
daryl b.
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i would not trut this man with my trash letalone living things
 
foovay
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11 months ago
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You are absolutely right. I've lived and worked on ranches and farms most of my life. Most ranchers and farmers are people who love animals and almost always have their own dogs they love. However, people will take their dogs out in the country and dump them - hoping some nice farmer will take them in. If you farm or ranch anywhere near a city, you'll soon have wild dog packs to deal with - and since they have no fear of humans, and are poor hunters in general, they will bring down livestock. It is unfortunate, but sometimes it is necessary to kill those dogs. It isn't the ranchers fault, it is the fault of irresponsible dog owners.

The dog owner was in the wrong to have those dogs running loose. Huskies especially (and I have owned them, I like them) tend to be aggressive as far as chasing livestock and trying to bring them down. So many people think "I'm out in the country, my dogs can be loose", well that property belongs to someone, who may well have livestock on it. I'm very sorry they had to witness it - but the fact it happened was their own fault. Had the dogs been on leash, they would not have run away, and they would not have been at risk of being shot. Bad Dog Owner, not bad rancher. True, he may have been wrong to do it right in front of the owners - but we don't know, maybe he was fed up with loose dogs after his livestock and wanted to make an example.
 
Lynn C.
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11 months ago
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I can understand it if the dogs were bringing down a calf, but they were not. This farmer is a guy on a power trip. Shame on him for shooting the dogs. You say bad owner for not keeping the dogs on a leash, so why punish the dogs because their owner let them free. This farmer was wrong for what he did.
 
Phil27944
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11 months ago
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I don't believe you know much about Huskies at all. I currently have 15 and have had several more in the past. True, they do have a high prey drive, for SMALL animals but they are not aggressive at all otherwise. And you can clearly see in the video that the cattle were standing there totally unconcerned about the Huskies and Hoochie and Raley were not chasing or harassing them at all.

It should also be noted that Comins is NOT the owner or caretaker of the cattle or the landowner but is a personal friend of the sheriff (read this elsewhere). It is very questionable as to whether the law really protects him.

While Mr. Butler is at fault for allowing Hoochie and Raley off leash in an unsecured area (a very big no no with a Husky) it still does not excuse Comins actions at all. In my opinion, Comins is a A** H--- with a gun on a power trip (and obviously a poor shot) who thinks he is important because he knows somebody. He is just lucky that I was not there because that gun would have be shoved into a place that the sun doesn't shine.
 
Crystal4404
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11 months ago
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Reading this article made me very mad at the farmer. I highly doubt that the dogs would attack the cattle. I don't know what I would have done if my dogs had been shot by some dumb farmer. I would be outraged and very upset. He should have had them on a leash or fenced in somewhere but the farmer should not have shot them. I hope the farmer has to pay greatly for what he did.
 
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11 months ago
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the owner seemed fine about paying the fee because he admits that the dogs were off their leash and it was his fault now that stupid farmer has to fess up his wrongs and pay his price
 
Sheena S.
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11 months ago
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Everyone knows those dogs were not attacking that man's cattle. There are clips of the dogs shown gently sniffing a cat and ignoring it. A dog that is not interested in a cat, is also not interested in hunting cattle. They look so sweet and I feel bad for the dogs and their owner.
 
Liz R.
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11 months ago
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This makes me mad. The owner was there and if the dogs were going to the owners voice. There was no need for the farmer to shot the dogs. And after the cows were searched to make sure the cows were all right, the cow owner should get some punishment for what he did
 
SweetieKisses
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11 months ago
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I was in hopes to see an update here. Not one.
 
Claudia
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11 months ago
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I never liked the idea of "right to shoot" but this one comes down again to the responsibility of the owner. I think both are at fault here and the dogs were the innocent ones.
 
Ashley A.
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11 months ago
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I think he should have shot warning shots into the ground to run the dogs off first. We had a big white dog in our yard once and our dogs were standing off with it so we had to bring out the 22 and shoot a coupld shots into the ground and it scared it off before something really bad happened.
 
Louise G.
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I have seen one of my own dogs take down a Fawn. It is not a pretty sight. She did release after I hollered by head off! I don't like that dogs get killed because owners are not responsible. Hey, keep your dog on a lease around other peoples livestock.
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Animal Cancer Foundation founder, Dr. Gerald S. Post, informs K9 in the City on the new breakthroughs in animal cancer treatment. There are more effec…

Fashion For all Dog Kind

Fashion For all Dog Kind

You may not dress your dog up every time you leave your house or perhaps you and "Tinker Bell" enjoy wearing the latest fashions together. Regardless,…

The Softer Side of Howard Stern

The Softer Side of Howard Stern

With the capacity to shelter 300 animals at any given time, North Shore Animal League is known to be the “largest no-kill animal rescue” in Americ…

Is Animal Cancer Treatable?

Is Animal Cancer Treatable?

In Brooklyn, Dr. Post, a veterinary oncologist explains that animal cancer is treatable but since cancer is the most common cause for death in older …

Some Run for The Gold; He Runs for The Goal

Some Run for The Gold; He Runs for The Goal

You may remember the New York City Marathon runner, Brayden Mathews, who ran to raise money for United Action for Animals, a long time promoter of the…

True Blue Yankees Fans

True Blue Yankees Fans

The New York Yankees celebrated their 27th victory in the MLB World Series. Devoted fans gathered in Manhattan's financial district on November 6th,…

A Whole Art Gallery, Gone to the Dogs?

A Whole Art Gallery, Gone to the Dogs?

Have you ever wondered what the world looked like to a dog? Well what if "Spot" could draw a picture for you? In New York's neighborhood of Chelsea, t…

Meet Munch: Star of Iams

Meet Munch: Star of Iams' 'Beautiful on the Inside' Ad

Big conventions can be great places to hobnob with celebrities, and the Meet The Breeds event at the Jacob Javits Convention Center in New York City w…


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