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Amen. Your words apply to cany canine, IMHO, and the breeders, reputable hobby breeders do this. Back yard breeders, and pet shop puppies are responsible for the animals in rescue. I rarely have a good quality, known lineage animal come into rescue, because the breeders with the verified lines of wolves and wolfdogs, sell by prearrangement and/or contract.
The movie "fad" breeds are a prime example of people putting Fluffy and Buffy together to make a buck selling puppies. Wolfdogs are the same way. Joe Shmoe thinks s/he can make a few bucks, so he gets his low to no content, misrepresented puppies from Jane Shmoe, and goes into the puppy business. <sigh>
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How many times must this be said?
What is the POINT of breeding these animals??
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The truth is that Sandra Pivosen had far too many INTACT animals, in a small space. A pack of any kind of canines is dangerous. Her death is a result of poor animal husbandry, not because of the animals genetics. She had those animals for YEARS. Every year, the pack size would increase when she kept a puppy or two. A recipe for disaster. Look at people when cramped into a small space. A MOB ensues. How many people have been killed/trampled by mobs at sports events, concerts, Spiritual Gatherings in India, etc.? Far more than any one killed by a canine.
Your mindset and opinion is what I am working so hard at educating. The situation the animals are in sets the stage for the outcome. Any animal, any human, is reactive to the situation and the stimuli around them. People kill people. Lets ban people! Red cars are involved in more accidents and speeding tickets than any other vehicle. Let's ban Red Cars, and not consider the idiot behind the wheel. The same with breed or animal bans - the idiot behind the ownership of the animal is at fault, not the animal.
Please look at the BIG picture. They/Wolfdogs are NOT for everybody. Horses are not for everybody. Collies aren't for everybody. Et Al... Responsible Ownership requires the two legged have more sense and intelligence than the four legged.
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As several of us have said, it is critical for ANY animal owner to educate themselves about the type of animal(canine, feline, equine, whatever) as well as the breed characteristics of their chosen breeds(breed of dog, type of horse, etc) and to find a realistic match between their lifestyle and experience level, and the needs of the particular animal. Locking lots of large dogs up(especially non-fixed!)in a confined space is truly a disaster waiting to happen.
Please do not blame an entire breed for a human's avoidable mistakes.
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" Most genetics experts feel that after the third generation in captivity, wild animals become tame, or domesticated."
I have to disagree on this point. I have worked with captive bred wolves and wolf/dogs for the past 11 years. We have found that that after 8 to 10 generations Wolf and Wolf/dogs retain their wild instincts. They may become socalized and enjoy human contact and affection, but they are not in any way tame or domesticated.
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Do you by any chance have an official contact in New Jersey with that information.
I can not seem to find any information on it in the New Jersey Conservation web site.
Thanks,
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Some people like smaller toy breeds. Some people like the hunting breeds. Some people like the guarding and protection breeds. Some people like Northern breeds. Some people like wolfdogs or primitive breeds. Last I knew, this was a free country, and we can choose the breed of our choice! - Err, well, sort of. New laws are being passed every day taking away our rights as pet owners to love and keep the breed of our choice. Love your pet. It may be outlawed one day. Nancy
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Bless your heart for helping Luna. There are more disreputable breeders of poor quality, misrepresented animals in Texas. Most of those breeders LIE to the public, (because they believe the lies themselves), and sell puppies to people that shouldn't own a Chia Pet!
BTW, they are not hybrids. Wolves and dogs are the same species. Hybridization occurs between 2 distinct and separate species. Wolfdogs are fertile. Most of the wolfdogs out there are from wolfdog to wolfdog breedings, and very few are from wolf to dog breedings. Where verified lineage pure wolves are bred, they are bred for a specific purpose, and line bred back to a pure for true *98%* animals, and not these made up, misrepresented, souped up dogs. I truly love low content wolfdogs, but when one is sold as a high content, lives in the house, loves cats and kids, it creates a problem when those misinformed buyers get the *real deal-98%*, and when the true 98 eats the couch, kills the cat, and acts as it should, the true *98* gets turned loose, killed, dumped into rescue, or hurts someone.
I am pro licensing and pro education - for ALL pets. Proper containment is a requirement for responsible pet ownership. (IMHO, IQ tests should be required to own a hard wired, high energy, opportunistic, problem solving canine!) Breeders need to be responsible and sell only to legal areas, under contract to spay/neuter the pup, and always take that puppy back, should the need ever arise. There are a few wolfdog breeders that meet that criteria, but for every good one, there are 25 bad ones.
Ideally, rescue would no longer be needed, because only responsible people would be breeding, and well educated buyers would purchase good quality, (insert your preferred breed here) puppies.
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I shouldn't be allowed to have a large and potentially dangerous dog. I wouldn't mistreat it. I would be more likely to try spoil it rotten and turn it into something that seems more like a cuddly lap dog when it never will be one. You have to know what you are doing and be able to control the dog when something unexpected happens. A fist full of money doesn't make a good owner and we need people who are willing to turn it down.
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Wow! I am seriously impressed with this comment. People who are this honest about their own abilities/needs are so few and far between! This is one of the things I stress most to potential adopters: KNOW YOURSELF- know your own abilities, be realistic about your lifestyle and your personality. Then try to find the animal that best fits your reality. We'd have so many less animals to try to find homes for if more people were that self-aware and honest! Thank you. Mary
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Current captive bred lines can be traced, some as far back as the 1920's. Most genetics experts feel that after the third generation in captivity, wild animals become tame, or domesticated.
Lower content, higher F generation animals are exceptionally smart dogs. :-)
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As pointed out in the story, wolfdogs "are no more dangerous than any other pet dog". People must understand that a wolfdog is a canid hybrid resulting from the mating of a wolf and a dog. Today most proponents and breeders of this magnificent animal prefer the term wolfdog as opposed to wolf-dog hyrid or wolf hybrid because the domestic dog was recently recategorized as a subspecies of wolf. Rescue organizations consider any animal with wolf heritage within the last five generaitons to be a wolfdog.
Of course they are beautiful animals as in their first generation gray wolves are most often crossed with wolf-like dogs such as German Shepherds, Siberian Huskies, and Alaskan Malamutes, and since wolf hybrids are genetic mixtures of wolves and dogs, their physical and behavioral characteristics cannot be predicted with any certainty.
Yet while this mixing of genetic traits, may result in less predictable behavior patterns compared with either the wolf or dog it does not mean that the behavior of any specific hybrid is erratic.
This breed can and does make a fine intelligent pet. There is a need for more responsible wolfdog breeding and before taking on the responsibility of this breed (and all breeds for the matter) prospective owners must be educated and ready to learn to train and live with and love these splendid animals.
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"You Got It!" :-)
Genetic roulette is very common in wolfdogs, since they are not a "breed", and there is not a breed standard. Wolfdog to wolfdog breedings can throw some unusual looking animals, within the same litter. Content is referred to, rather than percentage, and F generations are very important. If a breeder cannot tell you the lineage of the alleged pure wolf in the mix, nor what generation removed from the pure wolf the puppies are, do not buy one.
Much of my *Mission* is "mythbusting". The myth of wolfdogs being half wolf-half dog, wolfdogs being "dangerous", wolfdogs being "wild animals", wolfdogs being "abominations" and wolfdogs killing all other animals, are all myths I refute. As well as the myths surrounding "genetics". Wolves do not have blue eyes, nor do they carry the blue eye gene, so offspring of a wolf, (F1 or first generation), cannot have blue eyes. High content and pure wolves can only be born in the spring, so when people call that they have a *wolf* or *high content wolfdog*, with a birthday other than April/May, I can usually prove they bought a myth. Wolfdogs CAN successfully live in the house, with cats and kids, they just are not high content animals. (While I try not to speak in *absolutes*, there are a few people that have successfully kept HC's in their home, but it is very rare.)
A good breeder, can, predict personalities and physical characteristics. The parents should be tested for hip problems, and other genetic conditions. A good breeder should be trying to create a breed standard, and not putting *Timber and Sierra* together to make pretty puppied, to sell, purely for the purpose of making money. A good hobby breeder of wolfdogs is not in it for the money, but in it for the love of the *breed*-the personality and look they want to have as a companion animal.
I have found wolfdogs to have a better command of body language than any other dog. Wolves have retained the inate ability to convey their emotions and thoughts through body language, but many dog-dogs have lost it. Ear cropping and tail docking do affect the conveyance of body language by the dog, BUT if a person knows their breed, they can program themselves to the appropriate response.
My tag line is "Without Wolves, there would be no dogs,"
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And better to the people do not breeding this animals but better to stop to euthunize normal breed dogs!
Better to adopt normal breed dogs which so wait and hope to find home before people will put them to sleep-to euthunize them how unwanted.
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EXACTLY!
I wish more people understood that, we'd have so many less dogs for adoption.
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The owner said it takes alot of work with the wolfdog to make it a great family pet. That it is not a dog for everyone.
And if out of 71 wolfdogs at this rescue only 10 are suitable to be re-homed, why are they still breeding this animal. There is already too many large and extra large breed normal breed dogs being put down daily for lack of homes. If you want a wolf looking dog, get a husky or a malamute.
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This could be due to the animal just not being "pet quality," but it very likely could be due to abuse they went through prior to arriving at the sanctuary. We've had dogs of a variety of breeds(including miniature breeds) that we could not rehabilitate reliably enough to rehome them. One was a mostly wonderful, purebred GSD I myself fostered. When he was good, he was the best dog you could ask for, but when he snapped it was with zero warning and it was with intent to kill. It happens. It happens more often with the bigger, stronger breeds, sure, because they are bigger and stronger and if all heck breaks loose they are more dangerous. But I wouldn't assume it was the breeding alone that made these animals unadoptable.
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It is NOT the breed, but the abuse or neglect these animals suffered. Many were bought as "wolves", left chained in a back yard, not socialized, and later discarded because they weren't fuzzy bunny dogs! Well, Duh!
I had a Husky X Sammie that came in, bought as an Arctic, left chained for 3 years, that was so socially retarded from the neglect, that he fear bit everything! There was not a "wolf hair" in this dog! He came to the sanctuary as he was turned into the shelter as a wolfdog, so that is what he became. He is one of the lucky ones. I had a caretaker that took a shine to him, and he was worked with until he got over his issues and went to a home - with an experienced new "mom", who had northern breed experience.
Most of the wolfdogs I get are NOT "Add collar, instant pet". BECAUSE the owners didn't care...
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When there is an incident between a horse and rider, it is bad horsemanship. When there is an incident between dog and human, it is a bad dog. Why?
One of the items in my talks are the horse in my backyard is more likely to kill me, than any dog on the place!
Mid and High content wolfdogs remind me a lot of horses. Horses are considered "domestic animals" by J Q Public, yet they have retained the "fight or flight" instincts. That is acceptable behavior - to kick and buck when agitated, but it is not ok for a dog to bite when agitated? People are required to keep their horses in fencing. How come people are not required to keep their dogs in fencing?
Responsible ownership of all animals, dogs, cats, exotics and farm animals, starts with keeping the animals safe from traffic, safe from other animals, and safe from humans who mean them harm.
Good fences make good neighbors... Nancy
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Wolf dogs are beautiful,and I've actually met a few ,that were pretty easy going animals,but I think in general we do have to remember where they came ,that they were indeed wild,and because of that , their physical and behaviorial characteristics cannot be predicted with any certainty,and they can not ever be completely trusted.
If people are looking for those kinds of traits,I think that there are enough dogs around in our world that they could adopt,from Sheperds,Siberian Huskies, and Alaskan Malamutes,to Akita's,Chows,etc.
Too many wolf crosses end up in rescue facilities, often due to unrealistic expectations. They certainly can be difficult to manage if not prepared for their needs and behaviors. Sadly, many also end up being mistreated due to poor socialization and training.
If you look into this,it seems like only a few get adopted-The rest have too many behaviors that keep them from being adopted out,and truthfully,there are too many normal everyday dogs that are waiting to go home with a friend.Let's quit making Hybiid breeds and help the ones that allready exist.
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I recognize that your comment was in regard to the hybrids, but it is true of most breeds, so I had to chime in. I also am in favor of restricting breeding, but of all breeds. I think there absolutely is a place for breeding(I love my purebreds!!!), but there are too many irresponsible breeders, and there are too many unwanted litters out there which in turn leads to the tremendous numbers of perfectly adoptable pets that get put down each DAY across the nation.
But I think I'm getting on a bit of a tangent here, so I'll get off my spay/neuter soapbox. *sheepish grin*
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The behaviors that make my residents unadoptable are not becasue of their genetics, but because of their abuse or neglect. They are not bad dogs. They just had bad owners. There is not enough manpower here, or funding, to get these dogs trained where they can become a pet quality animal. I have over 30 LOW content animals that are NOT placeable because they spent their lives in environments that were not conducive to training or socialization. Not the fault of the dogs, but the humans that produced them, and/or bought them. Nancy
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If there is no standard then WHY ARE THEY BEING BRED? If they're not bred TO A STANDARD with a SPECIFIC GOAL IN MIND, WHY ARE THEY BEING BRED?
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