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Controversy in the world of dog training, with old methods pitted against the new. Some call the old way of training abusive, preferring the newer method of encouragement and reward. One New York city-based trainer has come under scrutiny for his training techniques.

NEW YORK -- Dog training has never been more glamorous than in the past few years, following the 2004 debut of National Geographic Channel's hit series "Dog Whisperer with Cesar Millan."

While the show has brought canine care and training to the forefront of American households, a shroud of confusion still engulfs the booming industry of dog training.

"You know there are TV shows, and they are very entertaining, but it's a TV show and really serious problems can't be fixed in a half an hour," said Barbara Dyer, New Jersey director of the Humane Society of America.

Among behaviorists and devoted animal lovers, a debate wages between various schools of thought, as the general public is stuck waffling -- trying to make sense of new terms such as clickers, "flooding" and being a pack leader.

That is where trainers, like New York City-based Tibor Feigel, are getting caught in the crossfire. Feigel runs the NYC-based company, Zen K-9, and he and his workers are often seen walking and training packs of dogs, big and small, in the public fish bowl of Central Park.

Although Feigel is often praised for putting his clients' dogs into a Zen-like state, his methods have come under scrutiny, launching an Internet campaign against him and his company.

One anonymous e-mail that was forwarded to Pet Pulse News read, " ... a pack walking company named Zen K-9 is using force to train and walk the dogs. They have been seen punching, kicking, hanging and two dogs died running in traffic as the head trainer was loading his van."

Other similar e-mails and online postings flooded the message board under the company’s demo on YouTube.com. However, Pet Pulse News was unable to track down or identify the people behind the e-mails.

Despite the reports that have surfaced online, mainly on YouTube.com, the New York Police Department and Society for Prevention of Cruelty to Animals have not received any formal complaints against Zen K-9.

However, Rescue Ink, a New York City-based rescue nonprofit, received approximately 300 complaints about Feigel's training techniques. Rescue Ink members say that they believe there is no merit to the claims, given the lack of first-hand accounts.

Rescue Ink also has not found a picture or video proving the alleged abuse.

Feigel says he believes that a female competitor is behind the attacks and has hired an attorney, who has virtually had most of the e-mail messages deleted from Internet message boards.

Feigel did say, however, that some people may misinterpret his techniques as excessive.

"Of course, people see us submitting the dog ... Submission is the question pretty much. Is it my technique that's harsh?" asked Feigel, who often trains dogs with behavioral issues.

"I believe in the very calm, but assertive energy and as long as we can keep that in front of them, there is no need for punching, kicking, hitting, or even using just a piece of stick to get them to where they need to be."

Contrary to the Internet claims, no animal has ever died in his care, says Feigel, who also uses assertive body language and a training collar for correcting.

"So old school, new school, I'm using everything that is out there," Feigel said. "I would never harm or abuse an animal."

Claims like the ones made against Feigel, regardless of their actual authenticity, are never to be taken lightly when first presented. In a separate case, one 30-year dog training veteran has recently learned that all too well, as he is now facing animal cruelty charges in New Jersey.

Abuse Claims Land Trainer in Court

Jeffrey Loy is accused of using, among other things, a cattle prod, a sling shot, a PVC pipe and his bare hands to curb a dog's behavior.

"I was appalled when I heard that and really shocked that anybody would do some of those things," Dyer said.

New Jersey SPCA's Cpl. Al Peterson says Loy's methods have been objected to by professionals in the animal cruelty, the animal behavior and the animal training industries.

The seven cases now pending against Loy date back to 1995, which is within New Jersey's statute of limitation. Cpl. Peterson says many people feared coming forward before now because of threats Loy made against them, their pets and veterinarians.

"One of the complainants had described to me that he was afraid to come forward for fear of a lawsuit," Peterson said.

All of Loy's clients signed non-disclosure and hold-harmless agreements. He was paid up to a thousand dollars a session. Authorities say some of them were referred to Loy by their veterinarians. As part of the Loy investigation, officials are looking into whether the vets knew of Loy's training methods and participated in the harassment of his clients.

Barbara Dyer, with the NJ State Humane Society, says fear should never be a part of dog training.

"A trainer really shouldn't dominate a dog or you," she said. "If your dog is afraid of the trainer, you should be afraid, also ... Any training methods that punishes or uses submission is out of date. Everything today is positive."

Knowing What's Abuse & What's Not

Usually consumers can trust professionals, but in an unregulated industry, pet owners are wise to be fully aware of various training techniques.

Dyer says any training methods that punish or use submission is out-of-date. Feigel, who does use submission as part of his training for certain dogs, falls within this category.

"They think submission is pinning an animal to the ground and keeping it there," Fiegel said of the kinds of methods which give submission a bad name. "Submission can just be me looking at a dog and he is going to respond by sitting down or laying down."

The Humane Society of the United States, the SPCA and law enforcement agencies all say any type of physical or mental abuse is unacceptable. This includes, choking, yelling or screaming, kicking, punching, and the use of shock collars.

"Anything that falls into the guideline of animal cruelty is not animal behavior modification, it is not training," said Cpl. Peterson.

The best method, according to the Humane Society of the United States, is encouragement and reward.

"Trust yourself, you may not quite understand what is going on, but if it doesn't seem right, stop it," Dyer advised. "Stop the session and speak to your trainer about it."

The HSUS also encourages pet owners to trust their instincts about trainers and to use common sense. If you suspect your pet is being harmed, report it immediately to either the SPCA or the local authorities.

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Rita M.
Rita M. (fairgirl)
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I will be very interested in seeing what happens in the Loy case. I hope Zootoo follows up on that.
 
dorothy w.
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every one has the means to train their own dog. you know them best
 
DEBBIE S.
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Positive reinforcement is they way to go. Using a clicker is also a great tool.
 
Tonda G.
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Hmm well so far no one has come forward with proof, we cant judge him guilty if there is no evidence, I would think someone in the park would have spoken up since this has become news. It is sad what some people will do to gain money...as if that is the most important thing...hopefully they will figure out if its true and do appropriate punishment or go after the false reports of abuse, and send them to jail for ruining his business IF infact he is innocent-sounds like the article doesnt say yes he abused or no he didnt-just that a bunch of so called people filed complaints....sad world we have now.
 
Marty T.
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Yes, they have. Many, many, many.
 
Kellie T.
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He should receive the same treatment he gave the animals in his care!
 
mith
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First of all, if you were going to send a child to a private school, you would research the school first. So, most of us here consider our dog as a family member, therefore, research should be done before sending the family dog to school. Second of all, as others have posted, go to the training with your dog. It is amazing what both the dog and the owner will learn together.
 
Nancy W.
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An electric cattle prod and a sling shot? This monster needs to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law!
 
Chelsey W.
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Really... He should be brutalized as he had the animals. While, I do agree with submission and pack-leader training (as it has been effective with my dogs...) it's still meant to be non-aggressive. You don't get aggressive or violent with the dogs. The biggest thing is WALK your dog. Outside of that.. make sure they know their food, water, and bathroom breaks are with the OWNER's permission. I think people should attend any training their pets attend, we have as much to learn as the pet does.
 
Ldeffe21
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I think if as a trainer he doesn't feel it's cruelty, he should be subjected to the methods he used. He should be shocked, beat etc. That is crazy. Why isn't he is jail?
 
GoldenRetrieverCrazy
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It is horrible how he treated these dogs
 
Alison L.
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A slingshot? No way!!!
 
Twinky W.
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My advice is to enroll in training classes yourself (like at St. Hubert's!!) and be responsible for the well-being of your pet.
 
kelley g.
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Positive reinforcement is the only way to train a dog. I have found that first hand.
Check out clicker training. It is easy and very clear to the dog what is correct.
Too often we can hurt the animal even more, especially mentally.
 
onlybadowners
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I've read through the comments here and have a couple of broader comments on some of the themes I see. To all of the loving owners who recommend training dogs as they themselves would like to be treated, please remember that you are not a dog, nor is a dog a person. Different social structures, different reasoning, different communication. When a dog is afraid for instance, the worst thing you can do is to hug or pet it. Dogs take physical comfort as agreement, as in, "Yes, you poor sweet thing, there is something to be scared of... I'm scared too." Not a good message to send. Eye contact in humans implies trustworthiness, whereas eye contact between dogs is a threat. Same with showing teeth... Cut your dog a break and try to relate to it on its level as well as your own.
As for training, as a foster I have rehabbed and adopted out more than 20 dogs this year, some who came in the door crawling on their bellies, and some who came in with aggression issues. I use everything from positive reinforcement for tricks (sit, stay, down, roll over), to Reiki and Therapeutic Touch for balance, to strict routine for confidence, to behavioral training and the occasional alpha roll for aggression. In the days before I established myself as a calm and assertive leader I could easily end up racing to the animal hospital with a dog bleeding in the back of the van once a month. I learned that, in the absence of my leadership and with a constantly changing pack, my dogs will fight it out for the top spot. That doesn't happen anymore. In my mind, an alpha roll and a cattle prod are not even remotely comparable. An alpha roll is a natural communication that a dog understands (because it is a dog, and not a person). Properly executed, it doesn't hurt them at all, and it is good deal better than the stitches needed if the aggression isn't addressed. A dog who is assured of his place and that his owner is in charge and will protect him is 1000 times more relaxed and happy than one who is shouldering the weight of leadership over factors it is simply not able to control.
A cattle prod is not acceptable. I won't go so far as to say I can see no cause for it ever to be used. I, for instance, would use one to protect a newborn baby from an attacking dog infected with rabies. But that's about it.
 
Kelly B.
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I agree with you--dogs have much different interpretations of behaviors than humans do. I think showing a dog that you are the "alpha dog" is a good idea because dogs do understand this position. However, I don't think any method of abuse should ever be used while reaching this position. A dog can learn just as easily with positive rewards and abuse of any sort should never be tolerated.
 
Amanda E.
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I agree with you. Under no circumstances should a person phsically harm a dog or inflict pain EVER but it 's important to learn canine "language". I have watched a trainer on animal planet named Victoria Stillwell and even she sais to not pick up and "comfort" a dog that is acting aggressively out of fear.
 
Diane C.
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I agree with the other writers that there really is a fine line......
 
pkobasic1
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It is terrible to think that people out there post as "trainers" and use force (hitting, kicking, etc) to "train" animals. That is just adversting abuse and cruelty.
 
Ashley C.
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Yeah I think that there are things you should and shouldn't do
 
Tishara W.
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I agree there is a fine line between abuse and being assertive. Positive reinforcement is the best. I dislike the prong collars, but the Gentle Leader is great for Lg Breed dogs.
 
Christine R.
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I think that each dog needs different training methods but, do not agree with any kind of so called training that will hurt the dog or have him fear you.
 
Libby M.
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There is such a fine line between assertiveness and abuse that people like this should be investigated. I'm sure the man does not intentionally abuse the animals or he likely would not be in the line of work that he is (at least we can hope), but it is always possible that he doesn't understand when he's crossing an unacceptable line. Hard to say what's what in this kind of case! I certainly agree with positive reinforcement and praise as a training method myself.
 
allison b.
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I'm thinking that if these accusations against the first guy were at all serious, there would be, at the very least, one complaint to the police/animal cruelty/humane society/aspca. There are plenty of anonymous tip lines out there.

Interesting that someone chooses the "anonymity" of the internet to make claims. A simple tracking of IP addresses will show if these are really from a competitor.

Cattle prods and shock collars? no thanks. There's no call for that sort of behavior at all.
 
Napoleon57
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Let's hope the guy is honest and not being abusive.
 
sllange
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Without seeing what is actually going on, it's difficult to make a judgement call. It's interesting how in this time of e-mails and anonymous cell phone calls, someone's reputation can be tarnished without a lot of effort.
 
cathie w.
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abuse you bet it is.
 
Ha123
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When you own a dog you must let the dog realize that he is a part of your pack, not by hitting or abuse in any form, but by calm correction of unwanted behavior. The Dog Whisperer, Cesar Milan, is not a trainer. He is a dos phycologist. Most of what he does with dogs are also used with humans. Training is a totally different thing.
 
Brianna T.
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I guess this is a warning for pet owners, to observe the trainers actions before they hire them.
 
XanaduDressage
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I think trainers play an important role in keeping dogs safe and helathy. Forceful methods should not be used however.
 
Shari S.
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Training should never have to be forceful if you are any good at it.
 
Nicki W.
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Just like home school, you are now going to have to study up and do it your self!!!
 
Natalia W.
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I like the rewards system, but the owner should take the time to train the animal themselves. That is part of being a responsible owner!
 
Dorothia E.
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I think that the owner should be at the training session with the dog. It would be terrible to be left with strangers and not know why you were dumped there. The owners should make sure their dogs are happy.
 
Marcie B.
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This should be at the owners discretion!
 
Julie U.
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It's probably best for the owner to be present during all or at least the first few training sessions. If my dog looked scared at all when I dropped her off for training, I would take her home right away.
 
caseymywasey
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I hope nothing bad is being done to these dogs by the trainers. Sure, dogs need to be trained, but it should be by gentle ways and calm talk, not any kind of abuse.
 
Eric F.
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Dogs should be trained with gentle hands.
 
Alissa K.
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Hitting an animal does not work as a successful training technique. Like the article says, it doesn't happen in thirty minutes. Training requires constant touching up, but certainly not by force! Not animal deserves a beating. It takes patience and time...and lots of treats! Dogs learn best after exercise, when they are tired.
 
Juli P.
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its like parenting, everyone has a different style and most styles work to some degree but that doesn't mean there was not a better way.
 
Joan B.
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No animal should be abused when training it.
 
Missy W.
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This doesn't seem right to me...
 
Karen K.
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It is hard to know what training is the best. I wish there was an evidence-based consensus.
 
Barb  A.
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8 months ago
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I really think this industry needs to be regulated. Anyone can say they are animal trainers and do what they want to get results. Many yeas ago I trained with choke chains and leash corrections as I was taught in dog school and never thought this was the way to build a relatinship with "your best friend"! I do think harsh methods can backfire when you have assertive breeds, and actually can cause more aggression! Now I have learned positive training methods and am happy with the results. I have had a number of rottweilers this positive approach has worked well and has helped me build a terrific relationship with my crew!
 
Pia S.
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I agree, Barb. It certainly needs to looked at.
 
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Kelly S.
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I think positive reinforcement is the best training method. When the dog associates the desired behavior with good things like treats, praise or toys ... he'll be more motivated.
 
Ana S.
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I think animal trainers, for the most part, use methods that pertain to the breed they are working with. Big dogs take a lot more effort and work, from what I've seen, and I imagine there are times when a strong hand is needed when the breed is known for it's strong will and aggressiveness. I don't believe in harsh treatment, but I know even a small dog can be a handful if the person doing the training doesn't really know what they are doing or have one way and only one way to train all animals. I'm so thankful every animal I've ever had was easy to teach. Some had limits, and we learned not to force them if several repeated sessions had no affect. I mean, does every pet have to sit up and say "pretty please"? I'm happy when an animal just sits quietly and doesn't bite my fingers when I give them a treat.
 
Pia S.
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I don't totally agree with you when you say larger dogs take more work. Some of my most difficult cases have been with small dogs.
 
Rebecca L.
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A slingshot! Thats crazy! Poor dogs.
 
Laurie T.
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Most dogs respond best to rewards. You need to find out what motivates the dog. If they don't do as asked, withhold the reward. But I'm not afraid to let my dog I'm not happy with bad behavior. Each dogs personality is different, some take a firm hand, some a raised eyebrow or even a slight change in your tone of voice. treat each individually just like kids!
 
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Cesar Millan is a great dog trainer in my eyes, and he doesn't fix all of them in a 1/2 hour. He sometimes takes them to his facility, and they stay there for weeks... too many people are trying to be Cesar!
 
Pia S.
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And, many are trying not to be like him as well.
 
Kristen F.
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How sad!
 
becky8278
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Obviously she has never watched the Dog Whisperer. He sometimes helps "fix" problems in 5 minutes, not a half hour. And it's rarely a problem with the dog, but with the owner. Cesar also uses calm submission. Whatever your method, there needs to be a definite understanding w/the dog(s) who the pack leader (or dominate individual) is. Though, the cattle prod, sling shot and pcv pipe are cruelty. I saw nothing in this report to suggest abuse by the second trainer.
 
crttrs
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Yes, people should check out references of trainers and organizations. Even visit some of the classes before joining.
 
sally r.
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That man should be arrested and charged with animal cruelty! Dog trainers should have to have a license and pet owners need to really check out the references. Everyone thinks they are Cesar Millan!
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