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ALERT: Predators Are Among Us
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There *are* predators among us, and possibly, even on your list of friends. This is a bit long, but it is *very* serious.
If comments have been added below, please read them, too. Most likely they will include updated information.
Don't ever let your guard down, especially in areas that you would deem to be safe — such as joining a group of like-minded individuals on the Web.
ZooToo is a group of like-minded individuals on the Web.
Never forget that the Web represents an entire cross-section of society, good and bad. Think of it this way: in the real world, it's easy to see when you are driving into a bad area, and you also know what country you are in.
SURROUNDED BY SHEEP?
Even though you may feel safe like a sheep in the middle a herd, it doesn't take much for a wolf to blend right in. Creating a disguise in the virtual world couldn't be much easier.
RULE #1: Do *not* believe anything just because you read it (or hear it).
Therefore, since you are reading this, you should not simply believe it. On the other hand, I would hope that I present enough information that you will investigate, and therefore, be able to make an informed, valid conclusion of your own. We all want to be able to trust others, and that's exactly what wolves depend on. As I write this, there are *64 zootoo members* who will likely be surprised to learn they have potentially added a wolf to their list of friends.
• MY INITIAL OBSERVATION
Last night, I stopped in to review comments in my forum entry: "Why should I have to spay or neuter *my* pets?"
The very top, most recent comment quickly caught my attention, and just as quickly, raised strong suspicions. Based on what I discovered, I deleted the comment within minutes. This individual definitely selected the wrong place to sneak something in.
Here is the comment exactly how I discovered it (please read every word):
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broganorama
Posted: 42 minutes ago
"Commercial Dog Food is Killing Your Dog, Hear What The Experts Have to Say..."
dog-training.1upon.com ( Fill in the form and it will take you to the page if you want to read how! )
Some of you may think this is a good thing but I do not. Dead animals that have been euthanized with long lasting potentially dangerous drugs are not "FOOD" for our beloved pets. I wonder if the demand for this raw product is one of the reasons behind societies slow to no response to animal breeding that is out of control.
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Did you notice the paragraph makes no sense whatsoever? Also, the instructions in the parentheses reads "... if you want to read how!" How what? How to kill your dog? The title says "Hear" yet the instructions say "Read" — yikes! This suggests to me that it was written by someone with a limited grasp of the English language, and possibly by someone outside the US. Interestingly, the site is actually in Germany.
ZooToo member: broganorama (profile page)
ZooToo does not seem to post member start dates. But, one can determine an approximate start date based on the member's list of friends. Friend lists do include the date that the friend was added. The earliest date a friend was added to this member's list was June 12, 2008. Since June 12, broganorama has added 64 members to their friend list. I haven't been on zootoo long, but that is by far the most friends I've seen in one list, especially in such a short period of time. Hmm.
Also, it seems that broganorama has one of everything on his profile (except for the multitude of friends) — one pet, one forum entry, etc., and lists shelters in the Hollywood, CA area — remember, the site is in Germany. And broganorama's avatar is a dove — very Christian-like appearance. Must be a good, trustworthy person, right? All the appearances of a just another safe sheep. Almost.
Clicking on the link in the comment (be careful, I'm not suggesting it), along with following the directions provided by the person, takes you to a web page that is dominated by the photo of a cute puppy. But almost immediately after the puppy appears, it is covered by a window requesting your name and email address. (Hello?) That window has both a "submit" and "close" button, yet only the "submit" button actually works. The "close" button does nothing. Therefore, you are faced with a screen that will not clear until an email address is entered. NOTE: simply close the browser window to escape.
What happens if you enter an email address and click the "submit" button? You do *not* go back to the site with the puppy. Instead, you will be transported from the German site to a site based in Canada. That page begins with "Urgent Press Release for Dog Owners" — and, of course, it's not really a press release at all. Looks like a scam to me.
If you don't enter an email address, but click the "submit" button, you'll find yourself looking at an error page, on a US-based site, again, with a completely different domain.
This practice is known as "phishing" (fishing). The site is actually getting people to provide information willingly, but under false pretenses — information that has value and will be sold for revenue. If you have done this, your email address has probably already been sold to multiple spammers, and most spammers are outside the US to avoid prosecution. Spammers make additional revenue by selling their email lists to other spammers.
The URL itself is a sub-domain, which is identifiable by the additional dot (i.e., period), which separates it from the top-level domain (sub-domain dot top-level-domain dot com). A sub-domain, simply by itself, by no means indicates a scam in and of itself. For example, zootoo dot com is a top-level domain. Someday, they may want to separate animals, so they could create multiple sub-domains, such as dogs dot zootoo dot com (dogs.zootoo.com), etc. Common practice and very legitimate ... usually, especially when the sub-domain is like a division of the company, which is the top-level domain (e.g.,dogs.zootoo.com).
The URL listed in the comment "dog-training" — so it seems legit, right? But, it's a sub-domain that seems unrelated to the top-level domain: 1upon dot com — who are they?
1upon dot com is an affiliate marketing organization, and actually specifies that their name is read correctly as: "One Up On" ... as in they are one up on you. They offer a member-based service providing, among other things, a personal sub-domain, for the purpose of making money. They also provide instructions on how to pull in revenue by getting people to click.
Abusing legitimate click-based advertising is known as "click fraud" ... and since it is truly fraud, it is illegal and prosecutable. Disclaimer: I am not stating categorically, nor even accusing this site of click fraud — I'm only presenting what I discovered.
Online businesses who want to advertise on the Web will contract with reputable companies, such as Google, to target their ads to those who may be potential customers. That legitimate advertiser provides information to Google that defines their typical customer, allowing Google to place their ads on relevant sites, those which draw the advertiser's desired target market.
Hence, if someone takes interest in the ad on a legitimate site, and clicks on it for more information, that click represents a referral per the advertiser's contract with Google; hence the advertiser just paid Google for that click. They pay whether the person buys anything or not ... only the click is tracked.
Google then pays a portion of that click revenue to the site owner where the ad appeared. That's how it is meant to work. Scammers have continually developed ways to get this revenue without providing the actual service. Thus, the name "click fraud."
I can go much deeper with my discoveries, but I believe I've presented enough to raise a big red flag. I will also add that if one did indeed check out the site with the puppy, it has one link to a "dog-training" video which is actually on YouTube — accessible by anyone, and potentially the video has no relationship with this Web site. It also includes pages of animal information that is easily obtainable on other sites, such as Wikipedia, etc.
I would especially be interested hearing from any of those 64 "friends" — did you receive any, now-suspect, direct correspondence with broganorama? Keep in mind, that if member becomes a non-member (on their own or by zootoo), expect that they will return with a new identity. Potentially, this is not the first identity of this individual, nor the only member involved in such a practice.
Don't be a popsicle. Use your head. It is so easy to blend in with sheep, on this site, or anyplace else on the Web.
If this is of concern to you, please prove it to yourself. After you have arrived at your own conclusion, I invite you to return here and present your findings in a comment.

1 month ago
the *'s indicated the *she* is probably a he (Zetau)...just look at her page. It says, "the the realy picture go to this site ZOOTOO com...type it don't paste it"
1 month ago
"...*ignore* her ..."? Trying to get others to think like you? One thing you excel at is *ignorance* ... and you seem to want to confirm it again and again.
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the *'s indicate that *she* may be a *he*...
1 month ago
I'm not sure I see from your post just what got you so upset. I guess I've been on the net too long to get too spooked by folks whose only way to defraud me is if I let them by my carelessness. I more or less have my security set up and ignore most of them. Internet marketing is filled with scammers and tricksters. Rest assured Google and the other advertising networks have their click fraud enforcement practices honed fairly well.
I am more worried about the many folks who feel thay are safe using proxy servers, especially the free ones. They are often used by crooks to use your IP address spoofed as being used by you, when actually it is being used by them for their criminal activities. Dynamic IP addresses make them almost unnessary for anonymity anyway nowadays. We tracked potential hackers through three or four layers of those easily even several years ago. For some reason, Germany and the Netherlands are high on the list of the defense network hacker wanna bes.
I've worked in IT for many years, some of the time with defense contractors after 911. You can plan to be safe anywhere, but you may not be. But that is true in real life too, not just online. If no one gave out personal info online, or had their normal PC security software up to date and running, I can't see how a ZooTooer could be in too much danger from what you mention. I must have missed the urgency here somewhere...
1 month ago
The "live link" was part of the actual spam comment that Zetau discovered and deleted, but needed to include in its entirety as part of the evidence he gathered. Zetau did suggest not to click on it. Zootoo code identifies a URL automatically and creates the link, whether you want it or not.
So you contradict yourself — if people know better than to click on a live link, why are you stating that including it is "dangerous"?
You say you've been "on the net too long to get spooked" by such things. So this doesn't pertain to you, does it? If you have so much experience, are you that naive to think everyone else has the same experience as you? Or Zetau? Or me?
So, obviously, you would have not taken any time to help those who could possibly benefit from this if you had found it. But you would take the time to flame someone who was thinking of helping others. How commendable of you!
Zetau has been on the Internet since the 80s. Where does it indicate that he got "so upset" or "spooked" as you stated?
You just continue to ramble on from your high-horse attitude. Maybe you should have read the comments first since the majority did appreciate the heads-up.
With all your claimed experience, you display a true lack of understanding of the majority of Web users, and their knowledge and comfort level using the Web.
Just a suggestion, but next time, you may want to actually read an entry before commenting on it. It may help your own comment be more on-topic, and maybe even add some value.
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Keep in mind that there are cultures, generally in Southeast Asia, where dog is considered an acceptable food for humans.
It's very probably that some US immigrants came from those cultures.
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Julie,
Although your comment is not written to me, but more about me, I hope you don't mind that I address your comments directly.
>> "... before throwing rocks at others ..."
Are you sure you're not seeing a reflection, because it certainly seems like you are standing in glass house. Of course, you and I both know (as well as others), that your comment here has little to do with this topic. You are simply striking out at me, probably in frustration, but certainly out of ignorance, over a member you have befriended ... one you have elected to continue to support, although there has been substantial evidence presented to raise serious doubts about her own integrity.
ignorance (noun): lack of knowledge or awareness
>> "... I know as much about "broganorama" as "Zetau" ..."
I would have to believe that is no one's fault but your own. What many people do not know is that you were one of the original 64 friends of "broganorama" — the individual who posted that bazaar comment in one of my forum entries, which raised the red flags.
And if you recall, you responded very quickly to me with a private message that began with "Thank you." Actually, it was one of the first messages I received. What did you thank me for? I didn't tell you to do anything ... I only shared what I discovered ... I left the rest up to you. Your "Thank you" told me that you confirmed what I stated. I did ask everyone to confirm it on their own, and don't just believe me. I even closed the entry with this (which is right above):
"If this is of concern to you, please prove it to yourself. After you have arrived at your own conclusion, I invite you to return here and present your findings in a comment."
And if you want to know about me, try this: open your eyes. You are looking at one example right here: I stuck my neck out to inform others — those trusting, yet vulnerable members — that people like this prey on. You should know, since you took it hook, line and sinker.
Besides accepting someone you didn't know as a friend, and now seem to be defending that decision, you were also sucked in by the wind-girl — which is what this is really all about. You do know, she has confessed, right? There was no harassment, there was no "hate" mail, there weren't any messages at all from me ... she was lying. Since you seem to have taken the entire hook, line and sinker, again, in my opinion, you may want to look at your own gullibility factor.
>> "... could we consider that fingerpointing may be a means of distraction? ..."
"We?" Do you think others are with you on this? You can do anything you want. If you want to make allegations against me, think it over. Frankly, after this past week, I'm surprised you'd even consider challenging me ... but hey, you're in the glass house.
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I received a friend request which is currently in limbo, waiting for a reply to my message back to her.
I looked at the profile, did not know her, and sent a polite message asking why. She has only one other member on her friends list. That one friend is *broganorama* (!!)
The friend request came from *gunnysack98*
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How devastating to lose 11 pets in one day.
I wonder if the alligator ate the rest.
2 months ago
Seriously, I have 66 friends (I think!) because when the Shelter makeover contest was going on, I asked other people who were supporting "my" shelter to be my friends, and for a while, when someone signed up under you they were automatically your friend.
Also I notice that you are insanely gramatically correct. Most people just don't care about their syntax, spelling and grammar that much. I think in real life you're an accountant with an IQ of about 140.... but that's just a guess, not libel!
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I don't think I have what it takes to do the FBI or CIA thing.
To me, an informant is someone who can infiltrate. To infiltrate, that would require the ability to act, as well as be deceptive — pretending like you're one of them. Even if it were for a noble cause, I couldn't do that.
I've acted on stage, and I've done comedy. But if an actor messes up one night, they may get a heckler or two.
If an informant messes up one night, they may get a bullet or two.
I take on the heckler, thank you. ; )
2 months ago
Addendum:
This past week, the Columbian Army pulled off one of the most successful hostage rescues in history — not a single shot was fired. Some of the hostages were held captive by FARC for 10 years. And one female hostage was running for Columbian president when she was abducted. Why am I mentioning this?
All those involved in the rescue had weeks of *acting lessons* just before the rescue began. These are brave souls.
2 months ago
Why in the world would you blast someone for using proper English? I can't wrap my head around that. It's true that there is a difference between formal and informal contexts, but I can't fathom why the choice to use proper form would be thought of as negative.
I'm an English major and teacher by training and choice. I often use informal language and format in informal settings, and do not generally comment on other people's usage of the language, be it correct or incorrect. I figure in these types of settings live and let live, you know?
Seeing a comment like this one just makes me so sad I don't even have words for it. It just speaks to how little our society has come to regard education in general, and it is just heartbreaking to me. :(
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I used to belong to the Spelling Police (haha!) but I've graduated to the "live and let live" theory now, which is good because I just noticed I spelled "grammatically" wrong in my original reply!
2 months ago
I too say things that I know in my head how I meant it, and then I'm startled to see how differently someone else took it, so I should know better than to assume.
Thanks again,
2 months ago
I appreciate the clarification, as I'm sure Mary does. I'm not speaking for Mary, but let me say to Mary's credit that there are a few people here that, for a lack of a better term, are more sensitive to the attacks I have received.
I always try to blow them off with lighthearted responses, which is how I answer most everything. I've been accused of a lot through lies, and all of it has been nasty and uncalled for. There have even been people who have created a new identity just to flame me, and protect their current identity, such as: chief777dog.
This link will take you to chief777dog's profile, and there's a link on the profile that will take you to the flame. The member ID was created just before the flame, and except for another, apparently nastier flame that was deleted by zootoo, it's the only thing that 'member' has done.
www.zootoo.com
When you find it, scroll down for the deleted one. I just found it yesterday.
Again, thank you for the clarification.
2 months ago
You are correct: anyone can be a predator. But usually it doesn't take much to identify some warning signs, which I guess becomes easier through experience. I've been using the Internet since the late 80s, and the Web since 1994.
Candidly, though, if you had requested to be a friend of mine, I would have to decline since you already have a predator listed as a friend ... actually two.
The number of friends in this individual's case was not initially a factor. The comment he posted, though, was covered with red flags. I first followed the link and beyond, then came back to the profile. The friend number seemed high only since it was built in about 10 days. But after many dropped, 10-12 new friends have since been added.
This journal entry is not a long term project of mine — I only did what I felt I needed to, i.e., sharing the red flags I saw, and I've moved on.
I never considered myself to be insanely correct at grammar, since I nose how often me have to fix them those errers.
And, to my real life: no and no. But I can see how you came to that conclusion, and you're a bit close on one.
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To: Yolanda, Shari, & Sheila,
I appreciate your responses and I'm glad I was able to assist.
To: ALL
Please share what you have learned here with your friends ... specifically how well a wolf can blend in. Keep in mind, some they can blend in much better than this, too. If someone, that you do not know, sends a friend request, it does *not* mean categorically they have ulterior motives.
Of course you can ignore it, but you can also reply with a question as to why they want to be a friend with yours, since you do not know them. You may or may not get an answer. If you do, it seems legit, and you elect to add them, don't let you guard down. Consider them in "temporary" status.
If they send you a message asking you to click a link, or something that is not zootoo related, that's when you may decide to drop them. Never let your guard down, but try not to let it interfere online experience. Enjoy your experiences with the majority who are here for the same reason as you.
Thanks.
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Thank you for all the valuable information. I really do appreciate it. Being a relatively new Zootooer, I must admit that I have had my guard down. Thanks for making us all more aware of "predators". Instead of becoming a politician...you should join the Dateline NBC staff. You would make a great "Online Predators" reporter.
Much thanks.
Sheila
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Thanks for your comment, but please don't feel foolish. I believe I'm so sensitive to this because my own trusting nature was taken advantage of for a long period of time.
I have discovered that those who do things like this, in the real world or on the Web, are often extremely skilled at what they do. Skill beyond what most people can even imagine.
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I first read your comment here shortly after you wrote it, but a simple "thank you" was not going to be sufficient, though it would have been timely.
My first reaction was to bow. I'm honored by your thoughts, and very humbled. Your words are very kind, and were truly unexpected.
I never do anything to be popular (that probably shows). It's passion that drives me, and my morals and ethics keep me stable and balanced. Over time, I've discovered that those elements virtually guarantee to protect me from popularity. But, far more importantly, they guarantee the absence of regret and guilt.
SUSPICIOUS COMMENT
I have a real problem with people who prey on others through deception. If I ever found out that someone got hurt by something that I was aware of, I could have possibly prevented, but I didn't "get involved", my own guilt would be brutal — potentially as if I had done the deed myself.
In many ways, I do believe it's a curse, since I really don't have an option. There is nothing for me to gain, and I never have. But personally, I've had my losses. Even being so aware of the risks, and having experienced some first-hand, I'd still go back and do the exact same thing again.
RUNNING FOR OFFICE
Even though tongue-in-cheek, you are not the first to make that suggestion. It's funny, though, how it always comes up in response to something which seems to have no direct relationship.
But, since you provided the soapbox, I will use it for just a moment: I firmly believe that if I had entered the White House in 2001, this country would be in much better shape today. And if this country were in better shape, so too, would be the world. I do not belong to a party. I don't have hidden agendas. It's those elements that drive me which I believe would make the difference.
But understand, I'm not implying that I am unique, as I'm definitely not alone. I believe the one thing that keeps many competent individuals (and a few good canines) from entering politics, is that politics, itself, is so damn political. It's a game ... if you want to play, you first must join a party.
The world depends on us to make an informed decision in the hiring of a person to fill the most powerful position in the world. What I don't understand is, that given that responsibility, why are we not even provided access to the candidates' detailed résumés? Every other position, that I'm aware of, requires a résumé to even be considered. And additionally, due to the importance of this decision, I would also like to see a psychological evaluation of each candidate.
I often feel as if we are the Roman Empire of the 21st Century.
BTW: I don't believe I'd last long in public office — even in my short time on ZooToo, I've been assassinated more than once.
Again, thank you for your kind words.
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NOTE: I will not mention the names of those who have sent messages with questions or comments, but in the interim, I will attempt to provide answers here.
>> "I have a great phishing filter and got no warning."
Excellent point. Actually, I have more than one great phishing filter. Firefox has filters built-in, and I use OpenDNS for my DNS servers ... there's virtually nothing better.
Don't be fooled, though — nothing warned me, either. Why? Because this is not a "phishing site" per se, but it still appears to be phishing. For example, it's not a car theft ring, but a kid stealing hub caps. That hub cap, though, is your email address. Do you really want to risk your email address? It's yours, not mine ... but I certainly would not.
I see way too many red flags, and that's why I took the time to explain the process as to why I felt it deserved a warning. Really, more than anything, it's just a wake-up call ... a refresher. I caught this one, but it's an example of what people will eventually face. And if only one person benefits, it's been worthwhile to me.
I did recommend that readers arrive at their own conclusions.
2 months ago
I just attempted to notify all 64 friends on the list. As I suspected, ZooToo has a daily message sending limit.
I was unable to contact the last 14 or so because the daily maximum is 50 messages. So, I'm not sure if I can reply to any messages today, either.
In any event, I noticed that his friend list has already dropped to 62.
2 months ago
Good call and thank you!
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It's been confirmed: I *cannot* reply to messages today (today being Jun 22).
I just received an email from one of the two that severed that friend connection, and I could not reply due to the 50 send limit.
Sorry, but please don't think I'm ignoring you. I'll get back to you tomorrow. ; )
2 months ago
Link to the member's profile:
www.zootoo.com
2 months ago
broganorama
Message:
Jun 13, 10:48pm
Where All Pets Go And Why
Just a nice thought I had is I wonder if this is really what happens to our loved pets when they meet their inevitable end, like us all. If you have a few free minutes it is a great read even if you have read it before.
Enjoy...http://www.petheartprints.com/Book/index.html then click *** Johnathon Livingston Seagull***
Enjoy
Thanks for the warning, they have been removed from my list and I will now be much more careful!
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